Why Do We Agree to Disagree?

agree-to-disagree1       As Catholics we should be trying to exercise charity whenever we voice our opinions on issues, especially those that pertain to matters of faith. Most traditionalists seem to be in agreement that we appear to be living in “The Great Apostasy” (Schism) spoken of by St. Paul in II Thess. II. However, most seem to be unaware that confusion among the faithful is one of the main signs of this apostasy. Simply put , no confusion, no apostasy. They go together. We need to face up to the the facts that because of the Vatican Council II, we simply have no functioning jurisdictional ecclesiastical hierarchy, and if you are a “sede vacante”: No Pope, with no practical way to elect one (based, to mention examples, on all the “papal election” failures that have since taken place ). Strike the Shepard and the “Indians” don’t know what to do. Most of us should should realize that only another true Pope, council or Christ’s Return can set the record straight on these matters that we disagree on; and St. Paul indicates that it is Christ’s Return that ends the apostasy.

Pope Leo XIII, in his encyclical, “The Unity ot the Church”, quotes St. John Chrysostom: “I say and protest that it is as wrong to divide the Church as to fall into heresy”. (Hom.xi., in Epist. ad Ephes., n.5.) Why, then, are we fostering division among ourselves? In regards to Archbishop Thuc and the Society of St. Pius X, a papal mandate is not a divine law, but an ecclesiastical law.

Even heretics and schismatics can have valid orders, the Church teaches that in cases of emergency we can seek out these orders. Presently many of the faithful need and want the Sacraments–at least for the sake of the children who need to relate to other children and associate with a Church. Those who feel that these orders are questionable or could  be a danger to their salvation should depart from them and work out their salvation as best as they can. But let us not condemn each other for our different decisions as none of us (except for the two witnesses) have the authority to do so.

In reflecting on past problems in the Church, we had Pope John XXII preaching heresy that, “no one could go to heaven until after the general judgment”. But that did not make him a Formal Public Heretic because he did not insert it into the formal teachings of the Church.

Pope Leo X (Medici) was notoriously immoral, becoming a Cardinal at 13 or 16, he is attributed to being a homosexual, and as Pope he bankrupt the Vatican Treasury and began to escalate the selling of indulgences for any donation to refinance his debt, which in turn helped to further escalate Martin Luther to revolt with the Reformation.

During  the Western (Schism) we had two anti-popes who consecrated bishops and appointed cardinals, of whom even after the schism, retained their orders and offices within the Church..

I myself do not know of what post-Vatican II teachings the traditional Bishops do not agree with, rather I do know the disagreements that I witness have more to deal with the current status of the Church and  Eschatology.

No, my faithful Catholics, it is easier to point out everyone Else’s weaknesses and gloss over our own, but being Catholic means working together on the things we can agree on and try to work out solutions on those causing difficulty. Remember that the Church belongs to our Lord, not to Fathers A or Z and it is Our Lord that we should be working for.

Let us diligently fight, then, the Vatican II heresies and the Mortal sins in the world together and pray that when Our Lord returns He can say to each of us: Well done, good and faithful servant. Enter now into my Kingdom forever…Amen

Grace be with you in Jesus Christ.
Joseph B.D. Saraceno
4-12-04  St. Julius PC