TRADITIO and the Arian Heresy Era and Joseph’s Reply.

To the Traditio Fathers:

It’s ludicrous to compare these AntiChrist (popes) with anytime in Church history except for the transition from the Jewish faith to the Catholic faith. Pope Liberius never co-operated with the Arians and was exiled for that reason. The Catholic Church teaches that no Pope has ever broken Infallibility, however, until Paul VI who became “The Man of Sin,” proclaimed by St. Paul, the Apostle. He became the Man of Sin as a result of his Instituting the Decree’s of the Vatican II Council and brought us into ,”The Great Apostasy.”  I PROVE that these Vatican II popes are the AntiChrists of the Bible and challenge anyone to prove I’m wrong. If the Vatican II popes are popes than the Church is not Infallible . You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Please do not insult the Mind of the Church by suggesting that God did not reveal these truths for our behalf in the Scriptures so that we could understand and know who these AntiChrists are when they come into the world.   Apostasy & the Beast May the Lord have mercy on your soul.

In Christ, Joseph B. D. Saraceno

The TRADITIO Fathers Reply:

The goal is not to “get out” of the Catholic Church, but rather to stay in the Catholic Church. But as yourself describe it, the Newchurch of the New Order is not the Catholic Church. It shares nothing in common with the Catholic Church: not its doctrine, not its morals, and not its Mass and Sacraments. Newchurch is essentially Protestant and follows Protestant models. The Modernist revolutionaries have openly admitted this fact in the books they have written since the Vatican II Anti-council (1962-1965).

As to question 1, St. Athanasius did not in fact “recognize” the heretical popes and bishops of the 4th century: quite the contrary. He refused to recognize them in every possible way. Read his Letter to His Flock. See how he distinguishes those who “keep the buildings” from those who “keep the true Faith.” The situation is no different today from what it was in the Arian fourth century.

St. Basil the Great, St. Martin of Tours, and St. Augustine, among many other Saints of the time, held a similar position. They refused to “recognize” the heretic popes and the heretical institution that they created. For further information, click on ARIANS: The Orthodox Saints against the Arian Heresy of the Fourth Century in the TRADITIO Network’s Library of Files: FAQs and Traditional Apologetics department.